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Alright, you know the deal, it's a really cool game and in general it feels great and I'm looking forward to seeing more, very impressive, yadda yadda yadda. Let's get right to business and give proper feedback since you're looking for opinions on the movement, which I've listed in severity:

Dragon Tier Level Issues-

*I find it incredibly unintuitive that wall jumps put you into a committed uncontrollable jump arc, like something out of NES Castlevania. Feels very inconsistent and confusing since in general the rest of your jumps have very generous mid-air control, and indeed if you use a double-jump after a wall-jump you get control back, so why is the wall jump so rigid? I don't mind if wall-jumps give you a powerful directional impulse that you can only slightly adjust against, but being completely rigidly stuck in an arc without being able to influence with directions at all feels awful.

*Had a few times where I swear I jumped right at the edge of a platform, only for it to either eat my input entirely and I fell like a log, or for it to use my double-jump instead. Feel like some coyote-time input forgiveness might be in order.

*If you jump off a wall and hold back towards the wall and double-jump, you will as expected double-jump back towards the wall. However, if you jump off a wall and hold back towards the wall and dive, you will confusingly dive away from the wall, completely disrespecting your directional command.

Tiger Tier Level Issues-

*I found it confusing that I couldn't Mega Man X/Meat Boy jump up a wall by wall-jumping and holding towards the wall: instead I have to use a double-jump after the wall-jump to change my direction to go back towards the wall and proceed up. Not too bad since it felt kinda good to get skilled at remembering it, but still, very awkward and against common practice. If the more primary issue with wall-jumps above were fixed, I wouldn't mind if you still couldn't climb with just wall-jumps and you had to use double-jumps to gain height.

*Similar to wall-jumps committing you to an hard-coded arc, if felt a little bit bad that dives also hard-commit you into an arc without being able to influence it slightly. It doesn't feel as bad as wall-jumps and kinda makes more sense, but still, a bit of influence would feel nice (but I deem this a lower threat since it feels more acceptable).

Wolf Tier Level Issues-

*Felt like the wall stickiness was too much: I don't mind the stickiness since it allows people to more easily hold away from the wall and pressing jump to wall-jump without falling off of it too quickly and using their double-jump instead, but in general it felt hard to disengage from a wall when you're trying to rush through a level and accidently graze one, and also it felt like you just slide too slowly: perhaps you should slide down at a fixed rate instead of this awkward increasing speed.

*Wish when you're sticking to a wall it would have some puffs of smoke or a nice sliding sound effect: feels very bland and static compared to all of the other juicy effects for jumping and the like.

*Feels like the run doesn't do much, takes too long to start up, and might just be unnecessary? The basic movement already feels fast and fun enough. Maybe if running gave you a faster initial boost and a satisfying puff of smoke instead of slowly accelerating (like in Kirby, I think?): boosts are more fun than runs.

LeviRamirez responds:

Thank you for the feedback! I'm gonna try and tackle all of your teirs of concerns because a lot of work has already been done in the background on this project!

=Dragon Teir=
- Coyote timing has been tweaked & being able to dive in the direction you are holding on the fly either from a wall-jump or in general has been added! Those were just mistakes I didn't account for in time for the demo and those 2 have specifically been addressed! As for the jump arch from the wall-jump, this is something that I'll talk about in the next tier but I want to jump off the wall to feel "realistic" I guess. When kicking off the wall I want the player to be repeled entirely in the opposite direction of the wall, and the double jump is there for players to be able to some degree to do it with the double jump. This is a dumb hill to die on but I like this feature a lot. However, it has / will be continually tweaked as the project progresses. In this prototype you are able to repel forward or be idle and not move with no deceleration. Now, As of writing this response you can do the repel against the wall or hold back / no key control and be in a less strict arch (I.e Holding back lets you slowly come back towards the wall) I hope that makes sense, it's the best way I can describe it.

=Tiger Tier=
In this game I wanted my wall jumps to NOT be like the Mega Man X and Meat Boy wall jump style. I know it's popular and I know people like it but I don't want that to be in this game, I just don't. Also, the dive arch being in a committed arch is also important as it's a trade-off for the speed and extra air time on top of double jumping. (You can break out of a dive from a double jump if you haven't done one yet.)

=Wolf Tier=
One of the most common complaints was the wall stickiness, and that was fixed very quickly! It isn't in the demo but in the continual development, the walls are much less sticky! Also acceleration and movement will be tweaked in tandum with the game so by the final product hopefully, the game feels even better!

I'm glad you liked the game and took the time to write a very strong list of issues you had with the game! I would say 9/10 of the things you brought up have already been addressed!!!!

Hmm, it's certainly quite the interesting game and it shows a lot of promise, but I found its execution to be really wonky and buggy and that damaged my experience with it unfortunately.

As said, it's a pretty promising game. The graphical techniques used for the 3D environment and the main character rotation were pretty cool to witness, the world is rather interesting to explore with its whole dimensional hopping system, and the combat revolving around exploiting elemental weaknesses while dealing with the different ranges that each elemental spell operates at as well as your limited mana made from some fast-paced and exciting strategic engagements. Also, I always like a game when it ends with a big ol' boss fight!

However, the game just had an overall feeling of being very halfbaked and unpolished. The biggest annoyance for me was the collision physics: walls were constantly way bigger than I felt like they should be and were therefore not only annoying to walk around without constantly bumping into them, but my spells would constantly get interrupted by grazing a wall in really dumb ways (for example, if you shoot a fireball when your back is against a wall, the fireball will immediately collide with the wall behind you and go nowhere). But beyond that, the game also felt really shallow in terms of exploration and enemies: there just wasn't much variety and it was over so fast without me feeling like I accomplished anything since what was the story anyway. Just felt like a real case of style over substance: cool camera techniques and all that, but the actual gameplay was clunky overall in multiple ways.

I know it's a game jam game so obviously it's understandable that something ambitious like this came out halfbaked, but a halfbaked game is halfbaked no matter the context. I really want to love this game because I think a lot of its ideas are really cool though: would love to see a more polished version of it, or, at they very least, I'd love to see another game from you guys where you aren't beholden to a time limit!

It's a cute little game, but it definitely felt pretty rough (which is understandable given its a game jam game, but still, rough is rough and this ain't the game jam site).

While I enjoyed the juxtaposition and sudden twist of going from a harvesting game to a dancing game (I imagine in my head that the bee is supposed to give the pollen to the hive but through cooking the books is able to hide it from auditors to use for his personal illegal dancing), doing the same thing over and over without any big changes to them started to turn stale, especially since the harvesting game felt like the weakest of the two and most repetitive since the amount gets larger and larger.

It's certainly impressive that we get two games for one, but in this case, I would prefer quality over quantity: one strong game rather than two weak games. The harvesting game was pretty generic and lacking any sort of unique elements to it, and the dancing game, while the most interesting, felt really lacking in several factors: the note charts didn't feel sequenced to the beat properly, the feedback from hitting or missing notes was missing and made it difficult to tell how you're doing, the opponent isn't involved in the dance-off during so it feels less thrilling, scoring was too lenient, and so on and so forth.

It's cute and could be an interesting adventure, but it felt so unpolished that it really made the journey less than ideal: would love to perhaps see a more finalized version of this if this is indeed version 0.1 and not version 1.0.

BluePinGames responds:

Wow! Thanks so much for taking the time to help us make the game better :D

Whether it's 0.1 or 1.0, we intend to make many, many changes. Your feedback will certainly help us get to a more fun place with this game. We are already working on improving both the harvesting and rhythm sections.

The latter is definitely easier to improve, but we're committed to making both experiences great. Again, thanks for the nuanced feedback!

Hey, pretty cool collab! I always appreciate when a collab goes above and beyond the typical slide show, and creating this whole virtual 3D art gallery with fun little gags and so on is great! Really turns it into a fun little adventure that I believe gets more people to check out all the art and spread the love, so the effort is much appreciated.

The only complaint I can think of is that there's no way to click on the artwork to see the art on Newgrounds (where you could vote on it) and no way to click on the artist name to go to their page and follow them: I know you can find 'em in the credits but convenience is key to get people the attention they deserve. Oh, and it's weird that the game doesn't just automatically lock your cursor in since it's necessary, but at least there is the option. Nice work all around, and man, it's amazing what people can do in MS Paint nowadays!

Frosty responds:

the reason why it doesn't auto-lock the cursor is that it doesn't work unless it's attached to a physical button, as far as I'm aware. I'm glad you liked the collab : P

also yes ms paint is a surprisingly strong software for what it's worth

duckbillyreviews4 responds:

thank you mighty, kind fella #DUCKNATION

Goddamn you Albatross! I was on track to collecting all of the orbs and you just had to go a-murderin' the two hunters and lock me into another ending I wasn't going for! Now I gotta do minesweeper all over again! Arrrghh!

Anyway, another fun chapter in this thrilling adventure! So far I've got three endings: murdering by Albatross (goddamn you Albatross, I'm trying to avoid killing those two since it plays the sad music), story ending with jumping into the tear (didn't expect the game to actually put important stuff into the main ending as a lot of it is contingent on doing additional endings from previous games, and you've had a pattern so far of the main ending being the ignorant 'run away' ending, so I'm interested to see where it goes as it was pretty epic) and the 3 orb ending (which, as silly and low-effort as that boss fight was, it was actually pretty intense haha). Had a blast getting all of these and will see how many others I can get.

(Little bug I found: if you go to the south wall of the research room you can peer into the blue dimension? Probably just some malfunctioning collision, but you never know with this game, haha)

adriendittrick responds:

thanks for playing :)
The blue dimension was indeed initially a bug but I've discovered it and put a bunch of respawn demons in it (the ones that appear when you press R) so now it's a feature :p

I really like the concept of this game, where you don't know what the rules are so you just make up rules as you go and it gets all crazy like a game of Calvinball! Definitely very promising and I feel like the general construction of the game is very juicy, smooth, and cute. As the levels went on and started to introduce wacky elements like balls that move, I enjoyed the challenge of trying to think of the best way to handle it. But, overall I found myself having a bad time, unfortunately.

Call me impatient, or maybe I just suck at billiards, but I feel like the game takes way too long to get to the good stuff. Too many of the early levels are just whacking around balls with very uninteresting changes like different weights and such: fun at the start, but it was such a slog to power through and I found myself quitting around level 5 as even though it introduced a new ability, said ability wasn't explained very well and didn't seem to change much, so I lost patience. I know you said that I have to be patient at the start, but I think that's more up to the game developer to create a well-paced game for all potential players, not beg and guilt-trip your players to keep going.

It didn't help either that the controls of the game were really janky and unrefined. Because the game doesn't lock the cursor within it, you can't make powerful shots when the ball is near the edge of the screen because your cursor will go off-screen and not register when you let go to make the shot. So I felt really cramped and unable to control as I'd like. Combine this with what I said before about the early levels being too simple and yet simultaneously a slog by having really big quotas and requiring annoyingly precise shots, I found myself frustrated and don't see myself making it to see the more interesting later levels, which is a bummer since the screenshot previews make it look cool!

Would love if maybe there was a save/load feature in this: that'd make it so I don't have to play it all in one sitting and take take it bit-by-bit.

EDIT: I did end up going back to this and playing it to completion because it was just so intriguing: what a really bizarre and cool game!

A nice short and sweet arcade game! Nothing crazy or revolutionary, but I had a pretty good time playing the game over and over to eventually beat the record. The strategy of balancing your limited air against hitting bubbles to keep you down longer was interesting to work around, and in general the game felt decently put-together with some funny touches like the intro cinematic (love the 'you<' sign that pops up, haha).

My only complaint would be that I do feel like the whole thing just moves annoyingly fast: I know it's to make the game hard and I appreciate it that it's a little challenging and I was able to eventually beat the record through skill, but it did sometimes feel a bit frustratingly random due to the speed. The game was also a bit lacking in terms of special effects and music, which might've given it a bit more pizazz.

Seems like a decent chill grindy game, but I felt like the game was a bit lacking in variety and lost me rather quickly.

Don't get me wrong, the game is very cute and feels well-constructed with a really chill atmosphere, along with nice touches like some impressive water effects. Despite the fishing because rather simple, I didn't mind it so much and rather found it satisfying and clever that it was all done with such minimal controls. All-in-all it feels like the game should be good, but...

Call me impatient, but it didn't take long for me to get bored with the game. I understand that you're supposed to fish up tuna and upgrade your ship, but I didn't understand why or for what purpose. Felt like the game had these way too long periods where you're just left wondering "is this all I'm supposed to be doing? just fish the same fish over and over, which don't even change their AI to challenge my skill in a different way?" If there were some sort of objective like delivering certain fish to a certain port to fulfill orders, or a time limit on said orders, or anything, maybe I'd be on board, but the game simply wasn't fun or complex enough to fish just for the sake of fishing. Without a goal, the big quotas between upgrades felt pointless and way too long, like the game's small amount of content was being artificially inflated with boring grinding.

Maybe it's just not for me: I want more objectives, but maybe some people are good with just fishing for no purpose. Looking at the spoilers for the twist ending that everyone else is saying, maybe it's good that I didn't play for long and a sign that I'm not so easily addicted, haha!

Hmm, not too shabby, but it did let me down a little unfortunately!

For the most part, the game is pretty cute: while some of the controls were a bit janky (I felt it was a bit too difficult to build up momentum to turn a hang into a swing, and I was able to web some bugs without even spinning around them), I did in general find the movement mechanics and world fun to explore. It was a bit intimidating to explore at first due to the large scale and small draw distance, but it seemed to be cleverly constructed to have notable landmarks and a looping structure so I didn't get lost. The spinning mechanic was kinda neat in a Battle of Hoth way, and all-around I found the game quite impressive for a game jam game.

That being said, I did feel like the game took way too long to use its notable features in any interesting or challenging way: for example, it isn't until the very last boss that you need to use any brainpower in spinning a web around the bug, and it isn't until the very last area do you get some complex platforming that utilizes the grappling web to pull off challenging maneuvers. Because of that, I feel like I was left wanting more: not necessarily a bad thing, but I wouldn't blame some people for losing patience before getting to what little good stuff this game has.

This one was a real oddball for me: it looks like it should be cool, what with its flashy graphics and presentation, crazy shooting action with neat enemy telegraphs and effects, interesting body part management system, and so on, but I found it to be very bad to actually play.

The combat of the game just felt very limp and unsatisfying: despite there being some visual feedback for attacks like screenshake and the enemies flashing and sparking, it just felt incredibly lackluster, especially due to the lack of sound. Speaking of sound, the lack of music or some sort of background track was a real bummer as well: why do you have music for the equipment room but not actual combat? In general the audio was a huge let down with so many elements being completely silent, such as the aforementioned lack of a 'enemy hit' sound.

The game was also just very confusing with me having no idea what was going on and what the objective was. I know I had to fight, and eventually I figured out I had to stand in these circles for body parts to spawn, but so many elements were unclear. How does it determine what body part gets hurt, and can they get hurt from usage like durability wear-down? What is the energy bar, and why is it not filling up when I'm picking up energy? Why do I lose a body part I've swapped out in a previous round instead of putting in my inventory for later use?

There are also just so many little nitpicks that drag the game down, such as the fact you still make footprints when you jump, the screen wonks out every time there is a transition, and certain guns don't work as you would explain (like the knife not reflecting projectiles like it says).

It's very promising, and it's understandable from a game jam game, but it's definitely in a very rough state: feels like maybe the visuals of the game were put first and foremost without a smooth, core gameplay. At the very least, I'd love to see a finalized version of this game that is polished up and builds on the interesting body concept: there definitely are a lot of good things in there that I'd hate to see go to waste, but right now it's like a writhing mass of muscle and skin with no skeleton.

Frogrammer responds:

hey! thank you so much for the feedback i have now watched the video and can answer. i agree with literally everything you said, it's fairly a bad game with big potential and great work from the art team and the composer, unfortunately we couldn't fix the bug in the web but there is a main track for the game that has a chance of not playing, and it sucks cuz its a banger track. anw yeah the visuals were pretty much of a focus at first (the body getting procedurally animated), and then i had to recode a lot of stuff as we were changing the design of the game throughout the jam and with scope this big, that obviously affected the quality of everything so it turned out to be a very messy wrap. no tutorial, no clear telegraphing simply cuz we had no time. thank you so much for being this straightforward, i appreciate your honesty and time :)

Still working at it, bit-by-bit.

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